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Adapting J Type Overdrives to TR250
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The A Type overdrives used on the TR250 and early TR6 are getting
really hard to find and expensive. One alternative is the J Type OD used
on the later TR6s. I understand that the same J type OD was also used on
Volvos in the 70s and early 80s. So, one might visit the
local junk yard and pick up a Volvo gearbox with OD, remove the OD from the gearbox and throw the gearbox away. You need
to get the right mainshaft to mate your specific model gearbox to the J
Type OD (Try Rimmer
Brothers, Moss UK
or Overdrive
Repair Specialists who I
understand will custom machine one to match your specific gearbox -- we're
talking a couple hundred dollars or maybe a little
less).
Oh -- there's a couple more things. You need to add the
electrical controls. This involves the steering column switch and
the wiring harness (two wires) to the gearbox cover grommet and a single
wire across the gearbox top cover to the isolator switch, then from
the switch to the solenoid. What isolator switch you
say? No big deal --- see separate note on adding that
switch to the gearbox top cover.
The J Type overdrive uses a different rear mounting arrangement than
the A Type OD. The A type uses the same rear mount as the non-OD
gearbox. Therefore, the A OD can be used any place the regular
gearbox fits. The J type rear mount position is further to the rear than
the non OD gearbox. A new two position mount (one position for non-OD and the other for J Type OD) that uses different mounting brackets
welded to the frame was introduced with commission number CF1 in
1973. I understand that there are commercially available adaptors to
mate the J OD to the early frame. I've also heard reports that
some of them don't adapt (don't work). Others have reported using the J type OD on
earlier frames by fabricating custom mounting fixtures.
Phil Brzozoski recently sent a note to the 6-PACK email list with
links to photos showing the adaptor he fabricated. This was in response to another lister
complaining that the adaptor he bought wouldn't work I was
very impressed with Phil's design because:
- It's easily made from readily available steel angle and flat stock.
- The photos show how one can install the gearbox and then measure the
exact dimensions of the required adaptor components.
- One can use Phil's scheme as a starting point to augment, modify,
etc.
The really important point is that Phil's scheme demonstrates that an early
frame shouldn't deter us from installing the J type OD.
| The Frame Brackets: I have the frame off my
'70 so was able to snap a photo of gearbox mounting brackets as
shown on the right. The rough location of the edge of the
floor panels is shown so we can see what we have to work
with. |

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The parts Phil used to construct the adaptor
are shown on the right. The parts are:
- Two 1" X 1" X 1/8" angles ~ 7"
long
- One 1 1/4" X 1/8" flat bar stock ~ 6 1/2 " long
- Two 3" lengths of 3/8"X24 threaded rod
with nyloc nuts
- Four rubber shock mounts (from shock absorbers) with cupped
washers.
- Six 3/8 X 24 bolts 1" long
- Four 3/8 nyloc nuts
- Two 3/8 regular nuts & lock washers.
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| The installed adaptor is shown on the
right. Note the area toward the rear of the right side angle
that's been ground away to give clearance for the speedometer
angle drive. Also note the area toward the front of the left
angle that has been shaped to provide clearance for the
solenoid. Phil mentioned that he also ground off part of
the left side mount to give solenoid clearance. Phil
said to not try welding everything together because you can't
install it due to the close clearances. He said he welded
the rear most nut under the angles to ease installation of
the cross piece. He attaches the right side angle to the
frame and the cross piece to the OD and then installs the
gearbox. He installs the left side angle after the gearbox
is attached to engine. He also used lubricated felt pads between
the angles and the edge of the floor pans to minimize noise
transmission. |
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| It really works! This photo shows that it's
more than theory; it really all fits in there. As Phil
points out, the area around the speedometer angle drive is a bit snug.
And, if you look close you can see the rear of the solenoid
and it looks to be a close fit too. Everything looks
really clean with no leaking fluids --- maybe that's not really a
Triumph.
If I was doing this project, I'd install the gearbox and hold
up the back with a floor jack and then measure & cut (probably
throw that piece away, measure & cut again) and fit the pieces
in, grind as required, mark & drill the holes,
etc. This is probably less trouble if the exhaust
pipes aren't there. In fact the whole adaptor can probably
be installed with the gearbox in position if the exhaust pipes are
out of the way. Once installed, then one could use
Phil's method to remove the gearbox --- remove the
bolts holding the cross piece to the angles and remove the left
side angle before removing the
gearbox.
Phil also said that there was an issue with the exhaust pipe
hangers. (That's not an issue with me as I don't use
the hanger under the gearbox.)
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Thanks to Phil for coming up with this scheme and letting
us at Buckeye Triumphs pass it on. Please refer any
questions to Phil at pbrzozoski@netscape.net.
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